Shawna Reininger, with Conscious Enterprise, is one of the most skilled intuitive business and personal guides I know. In this episode we talk about why tapping into the power of intuition is more crucial than ever, and how we can start cultivating space for intuition in our everyday lives.
Today's guest, Shawna Reininger, with Conscious Enterprise, once sat tall in a 5th Avenue office in NYC as a marketing executive for Tri-Star Pictures. Around the time of her father's unexpected death, she had an awakening, which planted seeds for her to eventually transition into becoming one of the most skilled intuitive business and personal guides I know. She is passionate about teaching individuals how to blend their intuitive intelligence, spiritual wisdom, and pragmatic self to transform themselves into a powerhouse of possibility.
We discuss why tapping into the power of intuition is more crucial than ever. We talk about how we can cultivate a deeper relationship with our higher selves, and how our intuition can guide us on a journey of a profound transformation, fulfilment and wellbeing. We also explore the themes of self-connection and love amidst the chaos of the world, the importance of discipline in personal practices and how to navigate resistance on the journey of self-discovery.
What is Covered:
(00:30) - My experience of working with Shawna
(03:28) - How the act of forgiveness propelled my business forward
(06:39) - How Conscious Enterprise came about
(09:31) - A moment of spiritual awakening for Shawna
(12:33) - How Shawna discovered her special intuitive abilities
(18:27) - The role of intuition in everyday life
(24:31) - Cultivating space for intuition
(27:32) - Why connecting to our higher self is so important
(34:54) - Embarking on the journey of discipline and spiritual practice
(38:15) - How to navigate resistance and inner dialogue
(44:13) - The crucial role of intuition in chaotic times
(51:55) - The transformative force of love
(53:54) - Recognizing numbness and fear in our lives
(1:00:30) - Who Shawna works with
Resources:
- Learn more about Shawna’s work http://www.theconsciousenterprise.com
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Anne-Marie Marron (00:01.076)
Welcome Shawna to the podcast. I am so grateful that you're here.
Shawna Reininger (00:02.094)
I am so happy. Thanks. Thank you for inviting me. Really, it's wonderful to be here.
Anne-Marie Marron (00:13.178)
One of the reasons it's so special for me is that, before we get into introducing you, is that I can't remember when we started working together. It's been at least a decade that I've been your client. And yeah, at least. And one of the things that has been so helpful for me in working with you is that I can come with anything personal, whatever is going on, whether it's relationships, sexuality.
Shawna Reininger (00:24.086)
I think so.
Shawna Reininger (00:42.19)
Okay.
Anne-Marie Marron (00:42.356)
my work and then yeah, that's the other piece or then I can come with my business. So it's like the combination of how you work with my soul, my personality, my wounds, my business, my potential, my blind spots. It's often, hard, it's been hard for me to find someone that can actually collate all of that in one space and be able to go that multi-dimensionally, which is what my system needs. And so I'm really grateful for that and
Shawna Reininger (01:11.246)
What?
Anne-Marie Marron (01:12.092)
I'm thinking of this one particular example that, that still, this was 2015. So, and we'd been working together for a while. I came to you to talk about my business and I guess this is the other part that I love about working with you is that I never know what I'm going to get when you're, when you're bringing things through. so you don't either. know that's that's the beauty of how, what an open channel you are.
Shawna Reininger (01:33.596)
See you later, bye!
Anne-Marie Marron (01:42.452)
But I came to talk about my business and I don't remember your exact words, but you said to me, until you forgive your father, your business will not take the route, take roots the way that you're wanting it to. And I was like, say what? know, was, because at that point I hadn't seen my biological dad 20 plus year, 25 plus years maybe.
Shawna Reininger (01:42.734)
Mm.
Shawna Reininger (01:54.478)
Mmm. Mmm. I know.
Anne-Marie Marron (02:06.228)
And because of that and because of the trust that I had built with you and the energy and the clarity in which you bring information through, I was on a plane month or two months later in front of my biological father for the first time in 20 something years after he had had some stroke, a few strokes and wasn't able to have speech as well so I was less scared of him. And I was able to like sit and put my hand on his heart and just whisper,
Shawna Reininger (02:06.349)
and
Shawna Reininger (02:29.903)
Mm.
Anne-Marie Marron (02:35.156)
I forgive you, please forgive me. And I would have never, to my knowledge, I can't imagine, considered doing that, much less done it. But there was something so pure about the way you brought it in that I was like, okay, okay. And it wasn't like I've given all my authority away to you. It's that I just felt the truth of that. I, yeah.
Shawna Reininger (02:46.382)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (02:58.474)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's beautiful. Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (03:03.1)
And I wanna just turn it over to you. So you have a business called Conscious Enterprise and I want you to just share a little bit about you and your work. And we'll go into, towards the end of the show for listeners, we're gonna go into more of your niche and who you really love to work with, but just to open up about you and your work.
Shawna Reininger (03:15.214)
Well, I want to start with why that name, because the conscious enterprise came to me spontaneously because when I did start to do this work and pay attention to what I was doing and being realizing, okay, I can see energy move, I can see all kinds of flavors and colors of it and I'm
Anne-Marie Marron (03:24.041)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (03:44.558)
When I would talk to someone and say, share something, whether it was channeled or whether it was me scanning their field and saying, oh, I see this, I see this. The minute I brought consciousness to something by speaking it out loud, immediately I watched the energy move. It was like, oh, that consciousness brought something to the surface, that bringing consciousness actually is the beginning of creating change.
Anne-Marie Marron (04:14.1)
Mm.
Shawna Reininger (04:14.382)
And I just thought, wow, that's pretty cool. And so it was clear that what I felt I was doing was my work is seeing what I see, hearing what I hear, bringing consciousness to it, to me, which is like handing it to the other person and saying, here it is, this is for you. And then they
Anne-Marie Marron (04:18.662)
Mm-hmm
Anne-Marie Marron (04:39.88)
Yeah. Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (04:42.634)
It's not me that switched their energy and saw something come to light and alive in them rather than be this dark coagulate kind of dark looking shadow. It was when I handed it to them through the speaking of it and bringing it into the conscious self, they then lit up. It's like, And even if it brought a feeling of, even if they would respond with
Anne-Marie Marron (05:01.192)
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Shawna Reininger (05:11.308)
you know, angst or that's that like, yes, that was very painful for me or yes, or I didn't know that was there. And is that a problem or whatever? And they were just in there. I watched them rearrange things. My gosh. So that's why I felt like, okay, my job is to bring the consciousness to the surface to like,
Anne-Marie Marron (05:20.253)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (05:26.216)
Well... Well...
Shawna Reininger (05:39.534)
How I got there is a whole other story. it was around 2006, 2007, think, when I had gone through this, moved from Kentucky, where I was born, to New York City. I found my way, and I should say stumbled my way, into working in the film industry in the marketing side of it.
Anne-Marie Marron (05:39.572)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (06:09.772)
I had that very busy, very big career. But then at, I don't remember how many years into it, was very big, exciting, busy, exhausting work. My father died and I was very attached to him in many ways. And I also modeled myself after him. But his sudden death,
at a young age, his sudden death, which nobody expected. It just rocked my world. It threw me for a loop. But what really hit me was When I returned to my office in New York, I was in Kentucky for his funeral, returned to New York, went back to my office, about a week later,
I was handed my mail and on the top of the stack, I looked at the handwriting and my heart stopped. It was a letter from my father that he had mailed before his death, obviously, but there it was. Something about this, I didn't call it synchronicity, but something about the kind of auspiciousness of it struck me. And I opened it up.
Anne-Marie Marron (07:16.456)
Wow.
Anne-Marie Marron (07:31.304)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (07:35.24)
And it was a letter from him, and he didn't know he was dying, but on a soul level, perhaps. But it was a letter from him telling me how much he loved me, how proud he was of me, that he had just sold a business of his and was going to travel around the world and wanted to start living. And he said to me, I hope you'll really live, just live your life.
I read that letter and it was after that moment, I started to have this voice in me say, is this all there is? Is this all you want? And it put me in touch with what I felt was like a spiritual desert inside of me that I wasn't paying attention to because I was living the high life. yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (08:05.777)
Wow.
Anne-Marie Marron (08:16.724)
Mm.
Anne-Marie Marron (08:26.068)
Exactly. Fifth Avenue, baby.
Shawna Reininger (08:34.062)
Um, so I started listening to that voice and I could feel the weight in my chest. could feel the weight of the heaviness of is that all there is, is this all there is? And, um, I had not had a long-term relationship, no family, no life. When you're in that business, you have no life. Um, right. So if that to me, I think was the turning point where I started to listen.
Anne-Marie Marron (08:56.244)
That is your life.
Anne-Marie Marron (09:01.224)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (09:03.31)
to this and question and ask. And then a series of things happened. I was gonna get married to someone in the business and we as friends ended that because that would, he was very much involved and I was feeling like it's time for me to start rolling my way out of it. But I took off or went around the world.
traveled, did all these things that, you my dad.
gosh, yeah, he was about to do and didn't do. And I didn't connect those, but I was like, well, what have I not done in my life? I traveled for work extensively, but I had not done any really adventurous travel. So I took off and did that for a couple of years. I came back. It's like, okay, now what? And next, my...
Anne-Marie Marron (09:38.184)
I just, wow.
Anne-Marie Marron (09:51.166)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (10:02.574)
a man that I married came into my life, my child came into my life, and that became my next career. Like that was my whole next life. My travel, I felt like that was my third life. But it was when my son was around three years old or four years old where he was busy going, know, he had his friends and play dates and preschool and all these things. I started to hear that voice again and it was like, okay, now what? Now what?
Anne-Marie Marron (10:09.78)
wow.
Anne-Marie Marron (10:13.384)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (10:33.334)
And I remember I went to a Starbucks coffee shop and I started writing, now what, now what, now what. And, and I wrote everything I had accomplished in my life to date, everything I had done. And there was the big now what. And, about a week and a half later or so, two weeks later, I had this remarkable experience in my son's room and.
that it answered the now what completely because it well it it the experience showed me what my perception abilities were my and and to be able because what was in my son's room was a a young boy who had died on that the land underneath the house he lived there he came in he had he was had passed but not completely
Anne-Marie Marron (11:07.795)
Really?
Shawna Reininger (11:32.886)
I had no idea of any of this. can speak to it now because I know. At the time, I wasn't entirely sure what I was doing, but it was so profound and it felt so natural to have this spirit being in the room with me, talking to me, telling me their story, as if I was hearing it in my head, a quiet little story, but then it got really intense and dramatic. And I, you know,
By some stroke of I don't know what, I chose not to think I was crazy, which I would have before. I chose to, because it felt so natural. It's like, I know this. And I went through this process with this spirit. at the end of it, this gorgeous light came in through, literally, this light came in through my son's bedroom window.
Anne-Marie Marron (12:09.46)
Thank God.
Shawna Reininger (12:33.354)
encased him, this little spirit, and he, this one I can't say without tears coming to my eyes, he had been gripping a teddy bear. Like I saw this vision of this boy gripping a teddy bear. And when the light came in, he walked up to me, he handed me the teddy bear.
Shawna Reininger (12:56.48)
I know I was quite I at the time I was complete in a completely neutral state. There were no tears. There was no emotion. It was only after the fact. It was very just, it's a gift. He's handing me a gift.
Anne-Marie Marron (13:02.868)
Huh. Uh-huh.
Shawna Reininger (13:13.304)
And then he was, he went, I saw him, I said, I said out loud, step in the light. Never said those words in my life before. And then he left. And even though I had been feeling his presence and not really knowing what it was for several nights, that night he was gone. He went, he didn't show up. He was gone. But I felt like that teddy bear somehow
Anne-Marie Marron (13:20.468)
Mm.
Anne-Marie Marron (13:25.449)
Wow.
Shawna Reininger (13:42.252)
was symbolic of saying, here, Shana, you're ready. You're ready to step into this. And it just felt so natural. at the end, my body started shuddering, like really shuddering. The power of the force, like windows would shudder. And there was a part of me that was just sitting there kind of observing what was happening to my body. And then
Anne-Marie Marron (13:47.486)
Yeah.
my gosh.
Anne-Marie Marron (14:02.708)
Mm.
Shawna Reininger (14:12.046)
I went into this deep calm, followed by this expansive feeling of bliss. That's the only way I can describe it. And I took a breath and I opened my eyes and I went, oh, time to go pick up my son at preschool. I better get going. It's like, it's like, oh.
Anne-Marie Marron (14:35.122)
like step off the stage. Like it was just the next thing to do.
Shawna Reininger (14:39.914)
Yeah, it was. then I found I had made a friend in Boulder. just, we were only there a couple of years by then. And she was all excited. I whispered the experience to her and she was all excited and she said, well, you know what this means, don't you? And I said, no. And she said, well, you're psychic. You're clairvoyant. You're channel. Shana, don't you know that? And I was, no, I was, I was a little, okay.
Guess.
And that was the beginning. And she really was one of two people who encouraged me. And I started taking steps. And then I started, I didn't know what to do with this gift. So you don't teach someone to be intuitive. We all are. We have the gift. It comes as part of our hardware. And when we come into this life, it's with us.
But it's good to have teachers help you understand what's happening and how to be proactive with it rather than have that gift, which I've seen before with people, where that gift, the gift can, it opens you up to so much, this multi-dimensional kaleidoscopic world. But it can feel chaotic at times. It can feel too much, overwhelming. For empaths, you can get flooded with all this
information. And so I was grateful for my teachers that I've sought out and they helped me learn how to harness this, how to hone it, what it means, what to do with it. And then I kind of took flight and I had my friends that I mentioned. I'll say her name, Lauren. She was a huge help to me. The thing is she had me, she sent me names, just first names of
Anne-Marie Marron (16:12.904)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (16:40.376)
people that she knew around the country, because she was a public speaker at the time and she had a diverse network. But I didn't know them, but she knew them. So she would ask them, my friend is exploring this part of herself. Do you mind if she reads you? All I need is your yes. And so she would send me first names via email. And I didn't really, I just knew that I needed to quiet my inner system down, quiet down.
Anne-Marie Marron (17:06.003)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (17:09.102)
bring my nervous system into a calmer place. And then I would, in that meditative space, then I would just ask, what do I need to know about so-and-so? And I had a person that gave it to And all these stories started to come out in front of me. I'd hear voices, I could smell things. would see like little visual images going across my screen.
Anne-Marie Marron (17:26.676)
Thank
Anne-Marie Marron (17:37.724)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (17:40.15)
I would share it back with my friend via email and she would send it on to the person. And it was kind of a little at times surprisingly so alarming a little how accurate what I was seeing was. And so that snowballed. And I was just doing this. Here's if anything. So I was doing this after my son went off to preschool. I would go home. My husband was at work.
Anne-Marie Marron (17:57.032)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (18:09.004)
I'd go home to my bed, sit on my bed with my legs crossed, do my, all my energy clearing work that I had been taught and go into my meditative space. And then I put my headphones on and I had people calling and asking, I've heard about you. Can, would you do a reading for me? Would you just tell me what you see? Or I lost somebody. Would you mind just, and I was just doing this. it never occurred to me to ask compensation or to do anything like that.
Anne-Marie Marron (18:31.106)
Anne-Marie Marron (18:37.844)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (18:38.798)
And, but people started asking, can't, I cannot, it's so helpful that I cannot give you something. And then I, I grew to understand the law of even exchange and how that was important. You know, you give a gift, get a gift. That's critical. So I did. And then it snowballed from there. And here I am now. So that's.
Anne-Marie Marron (18:51.944)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (19:00.692)
Hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (19:04.912)
my God, I love the bootstrapping nature of it, how your friends saw this in you after that experience in your son's room. And just, go ahead.
Shawna Reininger (19:10.868)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, she was a gift. And then, and her mother, who was very resistant to all of this kind of way of seeing the world, she finally broke her mother down and her mother said, okay. Because she had just lost her husband. And, and I, her husband came to me and I communicated.
Anne-Marie Marron (19:17.459)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (19:23.453)
huh.
Anne-Marie Marron (19:33.822)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (19:38.774)
And it was very helpful for her. And then she called all her friends. so that's how it snowballed from there. And then everything has been word of mouth.
Anne-Marie Marron (19:43.461)
wow.
Anne-Marie Marron (19:50.308)
Amazing. And how long ago was this? 20 years? Yeah. So here you are in this, in this movie industry, something that voice that you were talking about that was coming up, that was kind of calling you forth. And then this piece around your dad's super powerful how you ended up doing all the traveling that was chapter two. And then
Shawna Reininger (19:55.018)
about that. Yes.
Shawna Reininger (20:12.686)
Well, you know, I can only answer that looking being here now and looking back because not at the time.
Anne-Marie Marron (20:19.25)
This just emerged, but did you have access to this as a kid? Did you know that you had the ability? I mean, it sounds like you've never talked with spirits or people who had died, but now you're shaking your head.
Anne-Marie Marron (20:37.437)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (20:40.216)
There was no, I was not going to my mom and saying, mom, you know, I see this angel over here and the angels telling us blah, blah, And, you know, and have my mom, you know, no, no, that would, that would not go over very well. So, but I did, looking back, I knew that I had at the time and I remember kind of stepping inside that younger person's experience, me, and I remember feeling what she felt.
Anne-Marie Marron (20:40.232)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (20:45.212)
You
Anne-Marie Marron (20:53.873)
Right.
Shawna Reininger (21:09.688)
back then, which was, there's something here. I'm seeing one thing and people are doing something over here. They're actually moving through their day doing this, so and so is out in the yard. This person's talking to that person. And I'm over here watching this and I'm going, I'm seeing what they're not talking about. I'm feeling in between the lines.
Anne-Marie Marron (21:10.662)
Anne-Marie Marron (21:31.497)
huh.
Shawna Reininger (21:35.288)
But the way I experienced it a lot though was isolating though, because I felt like I was on the outside, like they didn't see me like a fly on the wall, you know? I felt often like I was the fly on the wall observing everything going on and seeing something that they weren't talking about. And I thought, well, if I can see it, why can't they see it? Do they not get it? But it never, ever occurred to me that that was some sort of extrasensory ability.
Anne-Marie Marron (21:43.956)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (21:54.514)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (22:04.637)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (22:04.878)
And nobody talked about that. It was a small town in Kentucky, very Catholic town, you know, and you listen to your priest and that's what you did. Yeah. No, no, not at all. Not at all. No. I mean, there were two, will say, I'm just one more thing. I will say as I got older,
Anne-Marie Marron (22:08.946)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (22:15.992)
Right, you didn't have household conversations about talking to spirits or seeing angels in the corner.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well.
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (22:35.436)
You know, when I was in the film business, I'd be sitting in a meeting with all these people and there's one consciousness voice going on saying, that person's not really telling us the truth. And then this other voice in me is like talking strategy. You know? So I was aware of that, but I didn't know what I was supposed to do with it. It didn't, you know, it was just like, you don't speak up and say that.
Anne-Marie Marron (22:48.584)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (22:53.524)
I love it.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (23:05.43)
You know, they're not interested. So. Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (23:07.696)
Right. Yeah, it's going to ruffle some feathers. Yeah, that's a lot to hold to be able to actually have multiple realities being presented at one time in your psyche. I would imagine your brain has had to develop in a certain way to be able to have all that happening at the same time.
Shawna Reininger (23:16.365)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (23:21.536)
Yeah, it's very, it can be overwhelming. And now when I see younger people who are very empathic, and they don't know what they don't know how to speak or articulate what's going on with them, I can see the overwhelm, the stress of all these sensory input that they're getting, and they don't know what to do with it. You know, and then it can be very difficult.
Anne-Marie Marron (23:43.922)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Yeah, right.
Shawna Reininger (23:52.342)
and helping them kind of flip that and say, don't be dictated by it. Let's you become proactive with it. And see, yeah, that's because that's what I was able to do. And it made all the difference. Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (24:01.524)
Mm.
Anne-Marie Marron (24:08.058)
Yeah, yeah, I think that's really good for anyone who's listening right now, because I think so many of us are empaths, and we don't know what to do with all the information that comes in, until we're either something happens where we're forced to figure it out, or we have a mentor or a guide. So I'm appreciating that you're naming that. Great. So I love hearing about your journey. think
Shawna Reininger (24:18.286)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (24:34.088)
Where I'd like to go next is let's just set some framework around intuition. Because you said something really interesting. You said we're all intuitive. It's part of our heart. It's we're hardwired. And so let's talk about basically what does it mean to be intuitive and what gets in the way of being intuitive. So you could just kind of take that wherever you want to go.
Shawna Reininger (24:47.758)
Yeah. What it means to be intuitive is first and foremost, it means that you have the capacity, we all do, to live with two states of consciousness side by side. So I think of there's
my the ego personality self busy doing my my day, but meanwhile while I'm doing that, there's this inner voice, there's this higher self that is connected to higher consciousness that sees it, has a deep relationship with it, brings it back down into this body and it sits there and it's just waiting for you to ask a question. It's just, like, I'm here,
Anne-Marie Marron (25:22.012)
Mm-hmm
Anne-Marie Marron (25:43.38)
Mm.
Shawna Reininger (25:44.972)
will you see me? Notice me? And, you know, but that we all have that capacity, all of us. We have the capacity to walk around with those two states of consciousness side by side, hand in hand, going, let's go live life. And that's what gives the multidimensionality to life as I experience it. It lets us see the bigger picture view.
Anne-Marie Marron (26:03.994)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (26:09.19)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (26:14.518)
It tells us, there's more going on here besides this person yelling at you right now. They are in pain. You're in pain. We're all in pain. But what can we do to help each other? Can we, you know, you know, or this is the vision I always see. It's like, I'm running down the street. I'm really busy. I'm trying to get to this meeting and, you know, and I'm passing this other person is moving toward me.
And it's my higher self, she's there. And she's going, and I'm moving by and I don't even notice her. And she whispers, just as I'm passing by, she reaches my ear and she says, I have something to want to tell you. And I'm like, what? And then I, and it's like, yeah, okay. Later, I'll check in with you later. And I keep going, you know, but, but what she wanted to say to me could have been very timely, like important for that moment.
Anne-Marie Marron (26:46.268)
Anne-Marie Marron (27:02.344)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (27:07.944)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (27:11.852)
because maybe she wanted to tell me something about where I was going or to slow down because I might trip over this step or something. But it could have been timely. And the benefit of stopping and listening and taking the few minutes to just stop, check in and listen.
Anne-Marie Marron (27:16.072)
Right.
Anne-Marie Marron (27:21.884)
Yeah. Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (27:36.204)
Well, the biggest benefit is you form this loving bond with this person who's got a perception and a perspective that you might not in your personality ego self have, not see it. could be your blind spot. But in a practical sense, it's like, wow, there might be some good information that can keep me from circling the block again and again and again and again.
Anne-Marie Marron (27:50.697)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (28:04.883)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (28:05.864)
And that's one of the biggest frustrations I hear from clients is, thought I learned that. Why am I circling this block again? Why am I circling this again and again and again? Well, when you start to form that loving bond and you stop and listen, you will learn why you circled it. And then maybe you'll circle it one or two more times, but each time you're getting more information and then you're done.
Anne-Marie Marron (28:25.906)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (28:32.93)
And then you say, got it. OK, thanks. I can move on. So you save a lot of time. You can save yourself frustration. You can make more aligned choices so that things flow more easily in your life. You can use it everywhere. So that's what the intuitive endo. That's how I perceive it.
Anne-Marie Marron (28:39.624)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (28:53.138)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (28:59.699)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (29:03.128)
You know, people think of it as the psychic self or the clairvoyant self. Yes, it could be, but I think it's more the relationship between you and yourself. And are you going to have a loving relationship, one that listens, you listen to each other, you form that bond, or is it going to be a contentious one? Are you going to fight? Are you going to be unkind to yourself and frustrated? Well,
Shawna Reininger (29:35.756)
I know which one I'd choose.
Anne-Marie Marron (29:37.36)
Mm hmm. Yeah. When it sounds I like that you're framing it this way that it's it's really two aspects of self. There's the ego and personality. And then there's what we could call our higher self or higher intelligence spirit. And that if we're not moving at a certain pace or practicing a certain level of listening,
Shawna Reininger (29:54.222)
Harris.
Anne-Marie Marron (30:05.798)
we may go through our whole life missing this part of us.
Shawna Reininger (30:11.203)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (30:13.392)
And so, yeah, it's painful actually to just recognize the truth of that.
Shawna Reininger (30:18.713)
Well, that's when that's when people who are dying.
they're hungry. You know, it's like, was it a good lie? What, oh I spent so much time doing this when meanwhile my relationship with this person was becoming more distant. I, you know...
Anne-Marie Marron (30:28.787)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (30:41.886)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (30:44.94)
Yeah, that's painful. You know, it's difficult to live with that.
Anne-Marie Marron (30:46.482)
Yeah. Yeah. So maybe we could just build this out a little bit more of how would one, given that we live in a culture that is constantly driving us to do and seek externally and prove ourselves, there's a certain warp speed that has become an addictive normalized pace. So what is your guidance?
Shawna Reininger (30:53.324)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (31:02.912)
Mm-hmm.
I mean,
Shawna Reininger (31:11.687)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (31:15.06)
for us around how do you cultivate more space for this other, to get to know this other part of self.
Shawna Reininger (31:29.026)
Well, making space is something that has to come from the heart. Making time is a logistical thing, you know, but making space for it means, okay, I'm feeling this ache in my heart, you know, and how long am I going to live with that? So, and that, you know, people will, almost everybody can feel that, you know, and I don't know, you know, yes, our world is
Anne-Marie Marron (31:38.082)
huh.
Shawna Reininger (31:59.082)
so noisy, so, so noisy out there. And the more we listen to that, the more distant we become from this inner self, the heart connection. And so you have to be willing to stop for a minute and say, okay, my head is driving me crazy, all the thoughts running around, all I'm getting, you know, like a flag flapping in the wind. Well, there has to be a moment when something says,
Anne-Marie Marron (32:08.115)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (32:29.518)
I'm tired and I want to feel and then when you want to feel something you want to be in your heart you that you're saying I want to go to my heart I want to and your body may tell you this you could get chronically sick you could get really ill and your body is messaging you very loud and clear you know you've separated from that so they're you know making the time
Anne-Marie Marron (32:42.067)
and
Anne-Marie Marron (32:46.131)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (32:54.738)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (32:59.342)
And that's, I don't think that goes into looking at your schedule, being disciplined, being committed to you, being committed to improving some aspects of your life that you're not happy with, wanting to know that, I can change that, I can create that. You know, that's all a mindset thing. And it's, you know, there are plenty of coaches out there, right? And, but you still come, it still comes down to you to have to say this is important.
Anne-Marie Marron (33:17.863)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (33:27.412)
Exactly.
Shawna Reininger (33:27.65)
This is important to me. This matters to me. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know if I can keep up with it. I don't know, but I know what matters that this matters. And you have to keep reminding yourself of that. Yeah, it is. Once, though, you get a taste of it, I will say that once you give yourself a chance and just however you get into a meditative space, whether it's
Anne-Marie Marron (33:37.204)
Thank
Anne-Marie Marron (33:41.416)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (33:57.762)
practice of meditation, going on a run, you get in a zone, through yoga. There's lots of entries, there are ways in, but I will say once you get a taste of it, it is really hard to turn your back on it after that. It will be very hard to turn your back on it. You might go away and come back and go away for a little longer and come back.
Anne-Marie Marron (34:01.852)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (34:07.824)
Thank
Anne-Marie Marron (34:18.373)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (34:24.674)
But it's once you hear that voice, once your body experiences that connection, once your heart opens to that connection.
I dare you to walk away from it forever. You just can't. So it just takes one or two tries to get you underway with it.
Anne-Marie Marron (34:36.978)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (34:46.868)
Yeah, it feels like there's really a couple of layers. There's that first passage as a human being to either be provoked to look at this because there's so much pain and it doesn't feel like there's another choice or there's just some part of us is surrendered to hearing the call. But but there is a certain level of discipline. I will say that having been exploring this for a couple of decades now, including
Shawna Reininger (34:53.102)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (35:04.622)
Okay.
Anne-Marie Marron (35:16.722)
my first foray into meditation, it was the last thing I wanted to do. And then when I would do it, I would realize, God, I'm so glad I did it. And then I would go in these like hiatuses from it where I wouldn't do it anymore. And life was completely different. And it wasn't that long ago actually for me, where I've been so diligent in the last couple of years, but there was a period, I'm trying to think of,
Shawna Reininger (35:34.83)
you
Anne-Marie Marron (35:43.154)
Yeah, over the summer, I'm very much into breath work and I have a lot of different things, practices I do in the morning for my nervous system. But I got away from it. I finished this 120 day practice and I got away from it. And I think I finished in July and by September, I was like, why am I anxious all the time? Like, this isn't me, what is going on? And so I knew that I needed to reinstitute, because I was like,
I'd get up in the morning and I'd be like, I'm just gonna take Angel for a walk and I wouldn't go get on my cushion and I wouldn't do my practices. And I was actually disconnected from that voice, disconnected from my, I was more in, I will say this, I felt like I was circulating in this bubble of anxiety and kind of like vigilance and that's not actually who we are. And so I had to reinstitute a practice which I'm in the middle of at just a 90 day one.
Shawna Reininger (36:15.997)
Okay.
Anne-Marie Marron (36:38.032)
And within like two days, everything is clear again. Like I hear the voices, even if I don't have clarity, I'm in a practice of prayer every day. Show me how to find more clarity on this. And so I guess I'm bringing that up because it's so easy. The two things I was hearing is that initial call and the discipline required, even when we don't want to do it, is such a mysterious thing and such an important thing to find the discipline. And then it's that gentleness of,
Shawna Reininger (36:49.902)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (37:08.24)
recognizing that this is a lifelong relationship. We're talking about making our primary relationship, our heart intelligence, spirit, God, our higher self, whatever. And what's more important than that? But why it's so hard to do.
Shawna Reininger (37:23.727)
Wonderful. Can I ask you, so when you were being disciplined, when you had that feeling of, okay, or it slips from your mind, what brought you back? Was it a thought? Did you feel something in your body?
Anne-Marie Marron (37:32.264)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (37:42.516)
you
Shawna Reininger (37:45.154)
Did you have a conversation with the resistance? What do you know? Can you identify what that was?
Anne-Marie Marron (37:48.756)
Yeah, that's such a good question. I think it's been a couple of different things, but one thing that I'm very competitive with myself. And so I use Insight Timer and I will use it for my daily practice and it starts over when you miss. And I hate that. I'll get to 40 days and if I miss a day it starts over and I just cannot stand that. sometimes I will reinstitute that practice. And to your point, I...
I, this time I felt it in my body, the anxiety that didn't feel like me, that was like the trigger of, this isn't bullshit. Like, I need to tend my garden because this is the state of mind and the frequency that I will be gravitating towards if I don't. And so that time it pushed me back in because I felt it in the body and I felt it in my mind.
Shawna Reininger (38:43.638)
Yeah. It, you know, whatever it takes, you know, I wouldn't use that. I wouldn't say that if you're, if you're a nasty taskmaster to yourself and, you know, forcing yourself. But that is, that comes up frequently, you know, when I ask people, do you have a meditation practice? you, what do you do right now? And they say, yes, but you know.
Anne-Marie Marron (38:47.152)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (38:54.142)
Yeah, I know.
Shawna Reininger (39:09.996)
I don't really like to meditate or I can't do that mantra thing or I had nothing works. And, know, as you said, it's natural for us to want to be in that place because that's where our body is at its highest form of equilibrium and connection. Right. But I'll just my experience had been OK, I had all the resistance I had to
say to myself, what's the resistance about? And tune in, like what am I feeling is the resistance? And one time, that's when I got in touch with this little very, very, very pissed off kid inside of me. And she said, you know, it's just hard work. I don't wanna do hard work. And so, you know, that's where you do some...
Anne-Marie Marron (39:43.284)
Mm.
I love this.
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (39:58.078)
No.
Anne-Marie Marron (40:02.516)
You
Shawna Reininger (40:09.518)
you can use inner child work. You know, you just go in and you say to that child, you know, you don't have to do the hard work. I like doing it. It makes me feel good. You know, you don't have to. You can just go play. In fact, we'll both go play. I'm going to go play doing my meditation and you can just go play whatever you want to do. You know, you kind of have to face and know what the resistance is. And sometimes quite honestly,
Anne-Marie Marron (40:11.539)
Yes.
Shawna Reininger (40:36.418)
When I feel resistance, no matter what it is I'm trying to do and be disciplined about, I will go, you have to use the energy practices, but I will see resistance as it's a piece of, it's this energy ball in me and it's, you know, doing this, it wants to fight with me. And I will just identify it and gently just say, I don't need to hold that.
I don't need to hold that and just release the energy of it. You know, I might feel it in my chest right here. I might feel it in my belly, but I will just sit and release knowingly, release the energy down a grounding cord or put it in a helium balloon and send it away. And something will shift because I see that as me having seniority over that energy. That energy doesn't dictate to me.
Anne-Marie Marron (41:20.999)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (41:30.471)
Yes.
Shawna Reininger (41:33.622)
It will be there. I can look at it in a loving way. Probably had a reason for being there at some point. But I say, I am senior to that. And I can move my own energy. I can release energy that isn't mine. I can release energy that might be mine, but has no beneficial effect to me or use to me. You know, when we know we have that kind of proactive ability to shift our field, our energy,
Anne-Marie Marron (41:45.684)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (41:55.124)
Thank
Shawna Reininger (42:04.514)
So that'll shift something for me and it's like, okay. And then I have less resistance. And then sometimes it's just like that rebellious kid is going, no, I'm not going there. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to the gym. I'm not going to go talk to that person who I really don't want to talk to. And then the higher self in me says, it's okay, I'll take care of her. You go do it. I'll take care of her. And it's just like, no, I'm going. I'm going. I'm going to go do it. I'm going to go take care of that.
Anne-Marie Marron (42:30.406)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (42:35.016)
That feels like such deep integration right there between the two parts where you're actually able to not get snagged by the resistance and feel the other voice go, no, we've got it, and let that carry you. So.
Shawna Reininger (42:38.88)
Okay.
Shawna Reininger (42:45.038)
But if you don't know you've got that higher voice in there that can do that, then you're not very well resourced, right?
Anne-Marie Marron (42:50.128)
Exactly.
Anne-Marie Marron (42:54.724)
Agreed. And you're just following the whims of these parts that are protecting themselves. Yeah. Okay, I want to bookmark that maybe we do another show at some point and we could actually talk about what you just said, because there's ways to psychologically break things down and move them. And then there's also ways to just energetically move the resistance. So I'd like to bookmark that because that feels like a really cool thing to be able to give people practices around that. But
Shawna Reininger (42:59.822)
Right.
Shawna Reininger (43:08.366)
Thank
Shawna Reininger (43:14.52)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (43:22.984)
And there's so much more I wanna say, but I really wanna get to this sort of juicier, well, not juicier, because it's juicy, but it is juicier. Why is intuition so important with what's happening in the world right now? Why put our attention on building this relationship?
Shawna Reininger (43:43.886)
That's a great question just to put out there. Because when it comes, when you posed it to me, I was like, what else is there? Because the reason to answer your question from my perspective, and I'm not saying anything that hasn't been channeled for years now, broadcasted to us by everybody who's in the world of
Anne-Marie Marron (43:46.663)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (44:13.358)
spiritual work, even our things are falling apart. You know, it's time for the structures to be torn down. We may not like who's doing it and how it's being done. But there we I always take the when I get, you know, caught up in the headlines, which I just not looking at these days. I go to the higher perspective and I say, OK, what
Anne-Marie Marron (44:20.084)
Thanks
Shawna Reininger (44:43.542)
is going on here. And that's where my intuition helps. That's why you come to this place where you can take the higher, get up 35,000 feet and look down and go, wow, things are falling apart. Things are being, it's like going in and gutting a house so that you can remodel it. Well, a lot of people get hurt. Things, I mean, it's not something that's,
said lightly, you know, people are going to be in pain from this. People's lives are going to be changed. to me, I see it as divine order that these are, they're no longer serving us. You know, there's ways in which these institutions and the people and the things and the places, you know, we've leaned on have been, I see it coming from the
It's been the third, I don't know, other people talk about it, different dimensions, but I see it simply as we've been too focused on the third chakra, the power and the abuse of the power. There's been abuse of the power, abuse of control, not caring anymore. The heart has been stripped away from this picture. Okay, that is not good for anybody. So to come to your question, it's...
Anne-Marie Marron (45:45.619)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (46:09.088)
It's not an option in my mind anymore to not focus on your interconnection with yourself, which is that what I said those two states of conduct hire. you know, people talking about intuition and, you know, my gut is saying I should do this and that, you know, people have handled it. Some people have taken it quite seriously, but some people use it to leverage it. Some people it's kind of
Anne-Marie Marron (46:21.044)
you
Shawna Reininger (46:37.57)
you know, empty talk, but no more. The reason it's not an option is because there's chaos happening. So when all the structure comes down, you can see it. Just look around, there's chaos. And we're going to see a whole lot more of it. So what do you trust? Where are you going? To your best friend, your family, your, you know, who are you going to go to?
And the safest place that is never going to lie to you, never going to lead you astray, it's the most grounded place you can go, is that connection with the Self. The Self that knows that it's connected to the infinite state of love and connectedness. That Self will always speak in that language.
It will also help you know what is true for you. Like, if I make this choice to engage in this or that or with a person, is this going to take me away from myself or bring me closer to myself? And that inner voice is the truest one that will speak to you. You'll get advice from other people and friends, everything outside of you. But the thing is,
Anne-Marie Marron (47:56.563)
Right.
Shawna Reininger (47:59.884)
the world change, there's change. You can only count on one thing. Change is going to happen. And so the only thing that doesn't change is that eternal voice that has your best interest. has the highest good interest, not just yours, but if it's in your highest good, it will align with the highest good around you of all of us.
Anne-Marie Marron (48:03.732)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (48:28.566)
It doesn't mean that it's going to come easily or the change will come easy or it won't have struggle, but it will bring you back around to what's in your highest good. So I see that internally happening for all of us and externally.
Shawna Reininger (48:47.119)
it's anybody's guess as to what will happen out there, but it's nobody's guessing. I'm not guessing. There's no guesswork when it comes in here.
We critical. Well, there's another reason. There's that love it you form the loving bond with yourself, which no one can break. Only you can break it. You're in control. The other reason is that when you form that loving bond with yourself, you act in accordance with love. It softens us. It helps us see what
Anne-Marie Marron (48:59.7)
And that's really, go ahead.
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (49:27.508)
are the nuances, it helps us see humanity, because we're seeing ourselves as love. When we sit in that truth and we experience it and our heart expands, what are we doing? We're, you know, we're sending that out and we're helping. That's help. That's why so many of us who work in
student of spiritual work or coaching or helping people that it feels really good to do it. You know, it's like, I want to help. I want to be of some help. So that you're helping re you're going to be the instrument. You're going to join the people who are the instruments of change who will help. They're going to be the ones building up as everything's coming down.
Anne-Marie Marron (50:06.356)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (50:23.464)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (50:25.382)
And so, love is the only connector. It's the only glue that we have that works, that laughs. And I, you know, I'm not the only one. I'm sure you've heard many messages, channelers, everything, everything comes down to love. I don't care who you're talking to, whether you're talking to a priest, you know,
Anne-Marie Marron (50:37.992)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (50:55.438)
a spiritual channeler, your neighbor, everyone is speaking about love now more and more and more. So I would rather be an instrument of love than get too caught up in what's coming down, what's being destroyed and torn down. So that's two important reasons to
Anne-Marie Marron (51:17.396)
And it's a choice point.
Shawna Reininger (51:25.282)
Soar this bond with yourself, this loving kindness.
Anne-Marie Marron (51:26.952)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah. And if anyone out there is...
messy like me. There are gauntlets to walk to get to where you're talking about. And what I mean by that, and maybe we could name some of them, is just to, in order to come into this frequency of love, to recognize it towards the parts of ourselves, towards, that's where it literally begins. From my perspective, it's like the more that I'm able to meet these wounded parts of self, personality, ego, the softer I am with everything outside of me. And
Shawna Reininger (51:46.102)
Thank you.
Shawna Reininger (52:04.554)
Okay.
Anne-Marie Marron (52:06.256)
yet there are some snags that are collective and they're normalized. And when we spoke briefly talking about what we were gonna bring up today, I wrote this down because I loved this language. You said we need to be aware of the secret weapon of being productive. Because if we learn how to settle into ourselves and feel proud of what we've accomplished, we are in a different mind stream than this.
Shawna Reininger (52:24.27)
It's
Anne-Marie Marron (52:33.896)
We need to fix ourselves. There's something broken. And basically that being productive, improving ourselves rather than resting back and quieting down to find this voice you're speaking to. And I wonder if you wanna add anything that we should be tracking that are these subtle, like I call them, like they're forms of domestication, all genders, non-gender. It's a mind stream.
that can interfere with one being kind to ourselves. And so are there other main themes that you would just want to name with me around, you know?
things to be looking for that are not our allies.
Shawna Reininger (53:24.37)
The first one that comes to mind is being numb. When we start to feel numb. Like it's too much. Well, this is all too much. I'm powerless. There's nothing I can really do. I don't like what's happening or I don't feel good about this or that, but I feel powerless. And so when we feel powerless, we are going into a...
Anne-Marie Marron (53:27.764)
What does that look like?
Shawna Reininger (53:52.128)
not I see it as a numb, a numbness. And that's, think, one of the things to look out for, you know, some people start to describe that as depression. And it's just where we have taken all of our vitality and our desire to create and to know that we can create and because we can, but
Anne-Marie Marron (53:54.602)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (54:04.468)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (54:22.466)
that sense of what can I do? I see it as this energy that kind of collapses in on itself, But what it does is it numbs our ability. It actually, I should say, overshadows that knowledge that sits within us that says, can create my reality.
Anne-Marie Marron (54:31.762)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (54:51.852)
what happens, I can create my reality. And it just may mean I can create my reality here today. I can choose to seek pleasure and joy and look up at a stranger and smile. But I see numbness as one of them that I do hear people talk about. This is not to dismiss the severity of depression or the clinical depression, but
Anne-Marie Marron (55:05.108)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (55:20.986)
Some people can just feel like it's all too much and they become numb. And then their frequency drops, that vitality, the frequency around vitality, because we have this ability to just raise our frequency really high in a state of creation and love. And then we also have the capacity to drop it back down. But when we feel suppressed, then it's really low.
Anne-Marie Marron (55:23.86)
Thank
Anne-Marie Marron (55:37.598)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (55:45.058)
then all of our energy field just drops down and it's low. And then people can't, they feel nothing matters. The other thing to look out for, well, you've spoken to, I think, some of the ones that are really prevalent. But the other thing I think to look out for that drives us away from ourselves is
Anne-Marie Marron (55:52.329)
This is
Shawna Reininger (56:18.4)
It's falling prey to, well, what people say, the fear-mongering. know, it's falling prey to, if I'm not connected to myself, which when we aren't, then somebody with the loudest voice is going to get our attention. You know, and right now, lot of this, you know, fearing the other, what's different from us.
Anne-Marie Marron (56:25.501)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (56:48.334)
is getting a very loud microphone right now. It has a very big voice and a big microphone right now. And so when that creates fear, when we feel fearful, that's one to look out for because that fear obviously is going to drive us to the loudest voice. And if we don't have a connection to ourselves, then the fear eclipses everything.
Anne-Marie Marron (56:51.827)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (57:18.174)
Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (57:18.528)
And then we start doing things in our lives, hoarding, pushing people away, know, falling into the emotional abyss of, don't want to be here. These other people are controlling me. You know, it's just kind of a big mess. It's messy. Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (57:35.444)
Yeah, it is very messy. Yeah, thank you for that. It feels like there's so much more we could say and we only have a few more minutes, which is amazing to me how fast this flies.
But I think it's really important what you just said about the numbing. And I want to just tag this tiny piece on because it was just a couple weeks ago where I had a full day of clients. I had maybe four of the six clients were really in a hard place about what was happening in the world and thinking they needed to leave the country. And there was just a lot of fear. And I got off the
work that day and I was just in a very, the first time in a long time.
I felt that numbness and I felt this overwhelm of I don't know how well informed I should be right now because there's so much information out there. I don't even know what to trust. I don't know who's behind the information. And I can feel this, and I wonder if other people feel this too, just this poll between I want to be informed
Shawna Reininger (58:31.462)
And I can.
Anne-Marie Marron (58:58.918)
I wanna be advocating for the things that are important to me, but I also don't want to be so consumed by it that I'm dropping away from myself because I'm getting in this fearful place of spinning, I guess is what I could say. And what I came to was, which is actually a funny thing, my mind fights this a little bit, but what I came to was,
The most important thing I can do is work on my relationship with myself and my nervous system right now and this voice that you're speaking to. Because from there, I will have a greater sense of discerning when to take action, what to listen to, what rings as true and what rings as some kind of propaganda. And yet,
my mind wants a different kind of solution, but that's really what it comes down to is it's moment to moment, which is why I feel to your point, it's more important than ever to be building this relationship with ourselves and knowing what that voice is and discerning it from voices of contraction or fear or protection, which are all totally valid as part of being human, but to discern that and build a relationship and a commitment to that every day so that we have greater discernment.
Shawna Reininger (01:00:04.718)
Yeah. And something, 100%, I agree with you. And that's what I do too. That's exactly what I do too. And I will say one of the fun things about forming that relationship
Anne-Marie Marron (01:00:23.826)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (01:00:33.428)
is that you are turning on that capacity to read something, to read what's going on. And what's fun is if you're a person who likes to be out in the front and advocating and front-facing with that, what's fun is that if you really connect with your intuition and you learn to read things, you can scan for
Anne-Marie Marron (01:00:38.589)
Yes.
Shawna Reininger (01:01:00.63)
Okay, what this person is saying, we must do. You can scan for the universal truth of it.
And there's a technique to do that. And then because if you're really somebody who wants to get out there and be on the front lines, great if that's what you feel called to. But what do you listen to? What do you believe in? You know, like you to your point. There's so there I mean, there's so many non truths being spread all over.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:01:18.974)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Shawna Reininger (01:01:37.184)
the internet and media and everywhere, how do you know what's true? Well, you can scan for the universal truth of something.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:01:44.892)
Yeah, it's a frequency. Sorry, you were gonna say something else. Yeah, it's a...
Shawna Reininger (01:01:47.082)
Yeah, no, that's just one of the benefits. That's the one of the benefits of connecting to yourself. It's like, I can see that, read that, and trust it.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:01:58.446)
Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. Before we started our conversation today, we had a few moments together and we were kind of in a quiet space and you brought through these very beautiful words, which I want to read. I feel like such a beautiful message. And as I read it, if anything else comes up, feel free to share. And then I want to read one more thing from the Hopi elder, Chief Eagle.
Shawna Reininger (01:02:13.691)
Okay.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:02:25.586)
And then I'd love to just talk to you, give you a few minutes to share about who you love to work with. So that's the next few layers. So I tried to write really quickly as you were channeling this, and I may not have gotten this totally accurate, but here we go. The human body is temporary. If we become too entangled with resistance, fight, flight, we will prolong its suffering. But if together we join hands, we can lift the suffering.
and move everyone without exception. And then you said it again, without exception to love.
Shawna Reininger (01:03:05.746)
Mm.
Shawna Reininger (01:03:20.06)
I'm hearing talk to your friends, talk to your neighbors, talk to others. Communication is connection.
And connection is healing and healing is love. Everything always comes back to that word. And even though sometimes it rings hollow, or we've heard it a hundred thousand times and nobody pays attention anymore, when you have that connection with yourself, a loving connection, you know why it keeps coming up over and over again.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:03:52.244)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:04:01.364)
Yeah. Beautiful. So I'm going to read this one piece and then I want to hear who you work with. This is from a Hopi Indian leader called White Eagle. He says, this moment that mankind is experiencing now can be seen either as doom or excuse me, either as a door or a hole. The decision to fall in the hole or go through the door is yours.
Shawna Reininger (01:04:07.566)
Beautiful.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:04:31.004)
If you absorb information 24 hours a day with negative energy, constantly nervous and pessimistic, you will fall into the hole. But if you take the opportunity to look at yourself, use the time to rethink life and death, to care for yourself and to care for others, you are walking through the portal. Keep your home, keep your body safe. Connect with your spiritual home. When you take care of yourself, you take care of everyone else.
Don't underestimate the spiritual dimension of this crisis. Take the perspective of an eagle that sees everything from above with a broader perspective. There is a social issue in this crisis, but it's also a spiritual issue. They go both hand in hand. Without the social dimension, we fall into bigotry. Without the spiritual dimension, we perish in pessimism and meaninglessness. You're ready to pass the crisis.
Pack your toolkit and use all the tools at your disposal. Learn the resistance from the example of the Indian and African people. We are and still are being threatened, extinct, but we never stopped singing, dancing, building bonfires, and having joy. Don't feel guilty for feeling happy in these difficult times. It doesn't help at all to be sad or angry.
Resistance is resistance through joy. You have every right to be strong and positive. And there's no other way to do this than by adopting a beautiful, cheerful, and empathetic attitude. This has nothing to do with alienation, ignorance of the world. It's a resistance strategy. When we enter the door, we are given a new worldview because we have faced our fears and overcome adversity. That's all you can do now.
Shawna Reininger (01:06:19.758)
Okay.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:06:28.592)
Seek solace in the storm. Keep calm. Pray daily. Make it a habit to meet the holy everywhere, every day. Show resistance through art, joy, trust, and love. Chief White Eagle.
Shawna Reininger (01:06:49.046)
Well, I don't think anything else has to be said. That was beautiful. It speaks to everything. Beautiful. Yeah. I have nothing more to add.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:06:53.3)
Yeah, yeah, between that and what you brought through, feels like such a clear message.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:07:04.55)
Well, I would love to hear as we're closing, and by the way, I'll have your website in the show notes and a more, deeper bio about you for people that want to learn more. But tell us who you really love to work with.
Shawna Reininger (01:07:19.026)
thank you for that. It's a little hard to talk about that after what you just read was so beautiful. But just quickly, I work with a lot of people in different kinds of settings for different reasons, and I love all of it. But simply because I come from this strong marketing strategic background and business, I love the women entrepreneurs that I work with.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:07:23.846)
Yeah.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:07:40.403)
Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:07:44.692)
Mm.
Shawna Reininger (01:07:46.627)
because I can speak their language in their everyday world. I understand what they're up against. I understand what they're trying to do. There's something about an entrepreneurial spirit that just is unlike anything else in business. So they're very self-motivated. So women who come to me and wanna work on their business, we end up also looking at what is unaligned with them.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:08:14.292)
you
Shawna Reininger (01:08:14.37)
because that's impacting their business and, you know, a business that you created, you created, that business is a living, breathing entity that wants to talk to you and it wants to be in harmony with you. And so I get to, in the everyday real pragmatic pieces that they're dealing with, I understand them and it's kind of fun. I love strategy. And we take what it comes through in their session and we get to.
roll up our sleeves and strategize and say, let's get going, you know, use the information. So that's just fun. It's my own personal kind of joy, fun doing that. But I love everybody who comes. I love what they're looking at. I love the gift and the privilege to be able to see their spirit and have their spirit talk to me as well as their human ego self. And that I feel like that's a privilege to be able to have that.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:08:57.075)
Mm-hmm.
Shawna Reininger (01:09:12.226)
capacity to do that.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:09:14.356)
Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, I would say in closing that anyone who's drawn to being brought through, you know how earlier you said you kind of read the energy and you bring a consciousness in and then people do the reconfiguration themselves? You have given me a shit sandwich many times where I was like, I don't wanna hear that. I don't wanna hear that.
Shawna Reininger (01:09:28.558)
Mm
Anne-Marie Marron (01:09:41.556)
But it's been like the best thing. And I have, of course, dear friends that come to you and I've had a few of them like that was a really fucking hard session. But that's the beauty of how clear you are is you're you just bring through what's coming through and then it's up to us to figure out where we want what we want to do with it. But I guess I just want to plug this for anyone out there that's listening that would really love kind of a laser opening into seeing what they can't see. I really feel like that's one of your
Greatest gifts. I mean you do it all with great love, but it's like it's fierce. You're fierce You're fiercely loving and oftentimes that means revealing things that are hard to see but ultimately and the grand scheme of evolving It's like we couldn't do it without it. So thank you for all that you're doing Mmm, I'm so grateful to have had this time with you anything else you want to say as we close
Shawna Reininger (01:10:17.145)
And then.
Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you. I am so grateful to you. mean, what you've articulated in this time, what you've brought forth, the questions you've asked, they come deeply from your wisdom.
And so even though we all are messy, myself included, and you may feel that you're really messy sometimes, your wisdom and beauty always, it always shows up. It always comes through. And I just appreciate that you did that today and shared it with all of us. And thank you.
Anne-Marie Marron (01:10:54.612)
You
Anne-Marie Marron (01:11:09.876)
Thank you, Shauna. I hope you'll come back so we can do some practical pieces in the future. Okay, see you next time. Thanks for being here. Bye.
Shawna Reininger (01:11:17.844)
I'd love to. I'd love to. All right. Thank you, Anne-Marie. Okay. Bye.